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{February 11, 2009}   14 Babies and Now I’m Done!

That’s what Nadya Suleman says.  Which led me to think about her responsibility or lack there of in having so many kids.  Then it also made me wonder when is too many babies too many?  For that matter, how many abortions are too many?  How about how long is too long to be on welfare?  How much welfare is enough?  When do we as humans step up and take responsibility for our own actions and beliefs?    How long do you listen to gossip, spread it before it’s too much?  I know that I have harped on this topic  before, but Nadya sent me over the edge.  Especially as Pagans, we  shout from the roof tops about self responsibility.  Yet we lie to each other and to ourselves.  We want other people to fix our messes, we blame people for our short comings, instead of trying to fix them. 

That is the problem with our country.  It’s never our fault.  We’re depressed, so we eat.  We’re bored in our marriage so we cheat.  We’re looking for something (or someone to believe in) so we blindly follow.  This woman had no money, and went to a doctor to have more babies she couldn’t support.  The doctor knew she wasn’t married, but allowed her to be implanted with who knows how many embryos, where is his responsibility in  it? 

And what if the doctor had simply said, no I will not do this?  Would the media be crucifying him for not being kind to the poor lady who only wants a baby?  More importantly how would you have felt had she been denied the chance to procreate?  I guess it’s the fault of political correctness!  LOL!  There I just shoved the blame from both the doctor and the stupid woman who was inseminated and blamed the entire country!  Doesn’t it make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

Holy Gods people, what is right is right, it ain’t that hard!  Can we all just open our eyes, think for ourselves and take things to their logical conclusion before we act on our impulse?  Why do we as people so easily believe what we’re told?  Even if we have no experience with the subject?  Sometimes even when we can see for ourselves we’ll listen to someone else.  That’s how come its so easy for people to fall into cults and drink the grape Kool-Aid.  So aside from trying to give a different face to the stereotypical Pagan why not add to that face responsibility for yourself and, being diligent and research anything you hear or see?  Maybe then things will begin to change for you, and that might start a domino affect and others will follow your good example?

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ladygwendlyn says:

Well, just as a 411 at my school we are looking at the ethical implications of the doctor. What would posses a doctor, knowing the risks involved, to be ok with fertilizing a woman with 8 eggs at one time? Also, when a person is about to have a sex change or is thinking about it, or even a body modification they are told to go to a psychologist and make sure that they are mentally stable. Why would a DOCTOR, a freaking medical professional not wish to do the same for a woman who sees nothing wrong with possibly having 8 kids at one time. Not to mention the other 6 kids and what support system. She cannot expect the American people, Government, to take care of her and all of these kids. Because she would never be able to afford day care for all of them, diapers, formula, clothes, and hold down a job. And forget about the thought that she could work from home because the noise level there will be outrageous! I made a choice, a choice to only have 2 kids so that they would both be able to receive love and attention. Hmmmm what a concept. Ok stepping off the soap box.



Christina says:

As everyone who knows me is well aware, I keep the Beltaine maypole as far as I can from my uterus. So far, it has worked. I have not reproduced, and do not plan to. I know I am not a kid raising person, and I am okay with that. My plan, should JP go before me, is to become a crazy cat lady. Heh heh… but I digress…

First, the doc was probably damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. He was probably afraid of getting sued if he DIDN’T do what she wanted, under the guise of “limiting her reproductive freedom.” And she’d have probably gone down the road and found another doctor who would have done it. Second, the reason he probably did it was: IVF is a cash only procedure. Insurance will not pay it. He gets straight cash, without having to deal with what Insurance will pay. Money talks, unfortunately.

He may have thought that due to her age and the number of babies, he body would only allow a few to survive. The doctor was amiss however, in not investigating her, and realizing she already had six kids, and that she was on public assistance, and really not all there, and should have said he would not do it, both for her health and the babies’ health.



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